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Message # 78870.1.1.2.1.1.1.2

Subject: What???

Date: Wed 30/10/19 18:28:16 GMT

Name: leonmoomin

Email: leon@mostwam.com

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By MikeyPHX - Tue 29/10/19 13:06:46 GMT

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What court? I don’t even know where all producers and their servers are located. Also, the barge of unpleasantness I am meet with here from two major producers, trying to shut my debate down, making fun of me and threatening me does not help in me believing the issue is elsewhere. And if I submit my evidence anywhere it would be to Verotel. I had dealings with the company, it is EU based and takes EU law seriously and limiting speed to some EU countries not others is very against EU law. That could lead to Verotel dropping some sites. And fellow wetlookers losing access as CCBill is the worst alternative for most. It looks ancient and is US based and EU privacy laws are much more strict, so Verotel is a better choice for many.

Also, as you are a producer I’m once again baffled by producer Customer service. Accusations against companies wrongdoings are common in the millions say on social media. And sure I don’t expect Walmart or McDonald’s level of replies like sorry customer is always right, we will investigate, but I also do not expect threats. I have not downloaded much from Wamtec from Poland and do not remember speeds, as sometimes you just start the download and go elsewhere, so I’m not sure if you are also protecting your own host server, but I did not even accuse producers. I accused the host server some are using. So I’m shocked producers are so swift to attack me. Hosts are usually some outside companies. In the case of wetlook producers is it some small business ran out of a server in a garage by a close personal friend or some producer themselves? As it’s very weird for such a defence of a hosting service used.

PS: if you want to talk about liable, even in sick US court way, QUESTIONS and looking for suggestions what it can be other than discrimination as in what I have been doing is not a case. Even suggestions are not. Or you know, multinational companies could basically sue all of us as basically everyone accused at least one of them of something with less proof suggesting it than I have. So could governments. Politicians, celebrities, basically even any of us social media users as we’ve all had the odd troll reply not on topic, but attacking us or our business.

And when download speeds are reduced to 5-10 percent of normal and only with certain country addresses this does point to a very possible court case. Under EU anti discrimination laws. Thankfully unlike mean replies from producers I also got an interesting one, which (asdf guy) which suggests maybe a host and ISPs both being cheap (or one side at least) and I hope this is the answer, as it’s the one thing that fits the VPN problem.

FINAL NOTE: Also as an American living in America, who I think comes from the UK or Australia if I remember correctly, please keep in mind you live and lived in countries that are NEVER DISCRIMINATED against. Unlike Eastern Europe which is very often, with a lot of cases of systematic discrimination. Since the region joined the EU, a lot of those, like worse food quality under the same brand, have been referred to EU commissions and courts and many companies had to desperately change recipes very fast, like the debacle about use of palm oil and bot sunflower oil in Lay’s in Eastern Europe. The multinational giant changed the recipe in like 3 months since the issue started to go viral, before the EU could even act officially. So discrimination is a big issue here. As is being looked down upon. And sadly your comment is patronizing and looking down on me. So it’s very sad that you can’t just reply normally without threats and degrading remarks.

Also, I will not reply here anymore if you don’t want me to. Don’t want a ban and obviously a mere customer has no chance against a legend in the eyes of the mods. But it was a sad experience.

By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Tue 29/10/19 04:39:38 GMT

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If you want to raise the subject of discrimination, submit your proof, that certain producers are deliberately throttling your connection.

I am not  denying that you are having connection issues at your end, but I strongly object to your accusations that certain Wetlook Producers are the ones responsible for your connection problems. I am sure that it is local or regional governments and ISPs who manage the internet speeds in your region.

If you wish to present a discrimanation case, you have got to submit your evidence as to who you claim is responsible.

I will give you an example of real discrimination....when it comes to Adult and Fetish media credit cards sales. All non adult businesses can process their credit card transactions at very low cc discount rates...ranging from 4 to 8% when using Visa and Mastercard CC Merchant accounts. Mainstream businesses can also use Paypal, where the average transaction fee for a business owner is only 2%. But Adult websites cannot use Paypal....because Paypal discriminates against Adult Websites and bans us from using their service. Likewise, Adult Websites cannot get a CC processor to process our sales at the same 4%-8%,,,,,because they claim that Adult Websites are a "high risk business".....so Fetish sites like mine have to use ccBill or Verotel who charge us rip off rates of 12% to 15%...because they claim they must charge higher rates to "high risk businesses". They claim that a high risk business is a business which receives a higher than normal amount of chargebacks due to stolen credit cards. But the data proves that this is big fat lie....and the amount of chargebacks/stolen credit cards an adult website receives is no different to the national average for a retail store chain online or in a local shopping mall. We do not have a higher rate of stolen cards used on our sites than a mainstream business gets....this is just a ruse so that ccBill and Verotel can rip us ALL off by charging us higher rates for credit card processing.  The reason I say ALL of us are being gouged, is because those higher rates get passed on down to the customer in the form of higher prices for the consumer,. If Adult website owners were not discriminated against by the credit card processors, and got the same low cc rates that mainstream businesses get, or we were permitted to use Paypal, this would reduce our costs by at least 8% andwe could pass that onto the consumer in the form of lower prices for our media.

Anyway.....please read the forum rules....section 4.2..no Negative or libellous comments.....  .it is not appropriate for you to make baseless accusations and to slander several wetlook producers....even if you do not name then, you are still slandering a community of wetlook producers without offering any proof. You are creating a disturbance that can get you banned from this forum if you continue in this fashion.

So if I were you, I would drop this silly debate on here, or take it to court if you feel you have a case.

By MikeyPHX - Mon 28/10/19 20:07:39 GMT

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The thing is, in Eastern Europe, now EU, it is usually the same as in the states - check speed test ratings for nations, some areas here have really fast download speeds, faster than some Western countries.. European, Canadian, American sites work just fine at full speeds. Speed test shows Russian works slightly worse, African, Indian and Chinese much worse. American and Canadian just fine.

The wetlook sites are the only example of ones that do not. And how do you explain the VPN thing. Same connection, I use a VPN service and suddenly have an American IP address and download speeds go back to normal.

This can’t be anything other than the host server limiting speeds to some countries for some reason. I don’t know if the server used by those sights is owned by wetlook producers, or just server space on some commercial server, but while there is mo Net Neutrality in the US, the server is actually breaking EU law, with limiting speeds to some EU countries.

Reasons can vary, but can include limited bandwidth which is being reserved  for more important markets (unethical anywhere, illegal per EU law) or if it’s a small server owned by a small group of people or one person, it can be even pettiness, from I don’t like people from said country to say it has produced a lot of difficult customers, so I’ll “punish” it. Don’t pretend you do not know how petty people can be, even if it does not make sense money wise.

The wetlook community is so small it basically can be both of the reasons and probably more. I just wanted to get to the bottom of something that is unethical and/or illegal depending on jurisdiction.

And I just wanted to get to the bottom of the thing that even on my slowest connection, where I get 2.8 mb/s download speed, I get 100-300 kb/s on some wetlook sites. Unless I use a US VPN, than I get... 2.8 mb/s.

There is really no need to be sarcastic and condescending as this is a big problem, as the download speeds are laughable. And yes, Russian or Chinese sites work much faster.

As a wetlook customer ofer the decade I’ve spent probably much more than 5K on wetlook from producers, have two 2TB discs full of material (never shared anything illegally) and you think as a paying customer I don’t even have the right to ask about blatant discrimination of the place where I live. That’s not very nice :(

Anyway, as I see people don’t believe, or don’t think this is an issue, I will record a clip next time I buy something. As you know, what I do on screen. Downloading from say my Google Drive to show normal speed. From the wetlook server to show reduced speed and from the wetlook server with a US vpn to show speed back to normal. I will upload that somewhere private and mail it to wetlook producers using said service. And ask them to show it to their hosting company and explain. Maybe someone faced with proof will do that and the mystery will finally be resolved.

By MK - wamtec@comcast.net Mon 28/10/19 18:18:53 GMT

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

Thusfar, these Net Neutrality proposals are just that....only proposed new laws, that have so far not been passed into law.

I can assure you that the core basis for these  proposed anti-discrimination laws have absolutely nothing to do with Wetlook Producers targeting wetlook customers in certain areas of the world......the wetlook culture is not even a grain of sand in the desert when compared to the bigger issue this proposed law is aimed it.  This is a much more political debate with the left and right sides seeing things from a totally different prism. That is. the socialist politicians want this law to protect the rights of the poor, and to guarantee that they will receive the same speeds as everybody else, regardless of whether they get free internet access or whether they pay for a premium access service....everybody should be treated the same way and get the same speeds. The capitalist poltiicians are totally opposed to a Net Neutrality law because they feel that folks who pay a premium price for a premium service are entitled to a better service that someone who gets internet access for free.

Here is an analogy, if you pay $200 for a cheap air ticket, should you have the right to complain about the seat being too small and uncomfortable, and demand to have a seat as big and as comfortable as the guy sitting in a first class seat, when that guy paid $1000 for his first class seat.

I can assure you that every single Wetlook Producer wants facilitate as many sales as they possibly can, so no wetlook producer is actively engaged in throttling or ip blocking customers UNLESS that media is legally prohibited for sale in a certain area. For example, Flaviu has to ip block sales from his Eurowam site in Romania, because adult fetish media is against RO law, so he has to ip block access in his own country. Also, bear in mind that because a producer is located in one country, does not mean that their servers are located in that same country .... e.g. all Eurowam servers are actually located In Canada and all my Wamtec sites are hosted on servers in Canada too. So, we as producers do not limit or throttle people from any country (except for Romania where there are legal restrictions). Our hosting company is the top hosting company in Canada and offers the highest speeds and does not throttle traffic either.

The only throttling (slow downs) that I see taking place at times, are initiated by my local ISP (Comcast) who will sometimse throttle down my speed when I have exceeded my monthly data usage cap. I can mostly flush out the speed throttle by unplugging and rebooting my modem, and then I get a normal speed again.

I will say, as a person living in North America, that websites with servers in North America and Europe are freely available at good speeds.....but sites and servers located in Russia, China and South America are always painfully slow to access.....and even with a VPN access, sites in Scandinavia and Germany after often very slow to stream ..you get used to it. Try to browse the Chinese or Russian versions of Youtube (RuTube or Youku) and they are so slow....you just give up in frustration. I am sure the Russians and Chinese deliver high speed server to their local people.....but they deliberately throttle their sites internationally.

It is almost comical but flattering  that you think we Wetlook Producers have so much power and influence, that we would shoot ourselves in the foot by targeting our own customers......what would be the strategy or motive be ....for Wamtec or Mostwam or Eurowam to do drive away their own customers.....to go on a kamikaze mission to minimize their own sales and drive all their business away so that they order from Dima's company instead !!!   

The powers that control how internet speeds are delivered, are way above us small time Producers and their servers. The internet is controlled by Governments, Politicians and Billionaires....not by us pissants.

But it is amusing to think you think we have so much power.

Note to self: must write a letter to Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping....to complain about why they are making the websites in their countries so slow to people in the USA.

By MikeyPHX - Mon 28/10/19 12:26:26 GMT

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The thing is I do not know who is behind the system used, is it a general thing, just some company or just a wetlook thing. I’m afraid it might be a newer project small company which is absurdly mean. Some years back some sites used a company with it’s own payment system. I as someone who only used CCBill, Verotel, PayPal etc prior asked about the safety of said company, especially as they did not have a website as a payment processor and the one they did have looked stuck in the 90s. So basically a no go area for 99 percent Internet users. I got a tirade of abuse for that genuine question from the person behind that system, though I guess in the end the wetlook world must have agreed it was not safe enough, as the sites which used it now use a combination of PayPal, Verotel and/or CCBill with proper encryption. After that situation I’m very reluctant to name names of services, but I also don’t know which site to contact, as a lot seem to be using that weird system at least for some of their downloads.

By leonmoomin - leon@mostwam.com Mon 28/10/19 01:10:56 GMT

Website: https://www.mostwam.tv// www.mostwam.tv

All posts like this do point accusatory fingers at all the sites you didn’t mention as not being responsible.

We certainly don’t country block, why would we wish to exclude a whole country from buying our media?

There could be other reasons (I don’t fully understand) such as your country throttling some services, for whatever reason?

You best bet though, is to contact the sites directly.

leonmoomin

By MikeyPHX - Sun 27/10/19 22:55:14 GMT

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I'm baffled and wondering what to do, as I've never seen this. In my years here I've learned quite a lot about EU law and while some of the sites use a US only company for billing, most also use an EU registered one, or a multinational one with an EU office. So I could start legal hell for the website/server probably as they can't really dodge EU laws. Or at least make them lose payment processors, but that makes no sense as I don't want the community to suffer. I just want no discrimination in it. As I'm writing this I'm at a rural Polish location. I barely get 2mb/s when downloading from other sites here. Today I got 120-145kb/s from said site. Fun fact, as I like these nature getaways, two weeks ago I was at a German location, so I guess it qualifies as the good west. Got barely 1mb/s on the connection there. I also got 1mb/s on the wetlook site mentioned. Was second WTF after VPN. Tested it a lot, like with Deutsche Telekom / T.Mobile in Poland, Germany, US, so even same ISP. Always the VPN changes the istutation, not the ISP. This is like apartheid over again. WTF wetlook peeps...

Probably this will be deleted as it's an uncomfortable truth post. Might even get a ban. Though maybe wetlook producers from Romania, Russia and Ukraine, who seem big in the wetlook world with stop the mods and influence the mods to make this post (within forum rules for constructive criticism and questions) stay. But I had to ask. Took me long enough to post. Did my research that this does not happen. Asked a lot of specialists that it means that HOST SERVERS MUST BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST IP ADDRESSES FROM SOME COUNTRIES. And decided this is to f-ed up to not mention.

As for the sites, won't name them, but I will just say this does NOT have anything to do with Wetlooker, Wamderland or clips downloaded from the UMD and Clips4Sale - those give the same full speeds weather you download from Heringsdorf or Swinemuende (Swinoujscie), which are two towns on Usedom island. One German. One Polish. There is no border between them (Schengen area). No border posts, no controls, if you walk the beach or hike trail (you can do it legally) even no sign to say when you are leaving one country and entering the other. But there is a reduction of speed of download of wetlook depending on which nations ISP you use, even if you chose a much faster Polish one.