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Subject: Re:Wetlook site servers discriminating against countries - vpn proves! why?

Date: Tue 29/10/19 01:21:33 GMT

Name: AnthonyX

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I'm not an expert on networking, but I do have some degree of understanding, so here it my take on the situation:

The internet is composed of millions of computerized devices connected largely by point-to-point links. These devices include servers, routers, switches, etc,. The links are anything from dial-up phone lines to TV coax to over-the-air LTE fiber-optic, including your home/office/coffee shop WiFi and the ubiquitous Cat-4/5/6 ethernet. To get from your favorite Wetlook site to your laptop, data packets have to route through potentially a couple of dozen nodes, via whatever technology is there to implement the links between them. Each of these links has a bandwidth limit, and for most (if not all) of them, your data packets have to share the bandwidth on each of those links with whatever other traffic happens to be flowing on it. The path your packets take depends on the routing rules and algorithms implemented in various nodes along the way. The effective bandwidth you get for a given download will depend on the your connection, the server's connection, and the available routes between them. You visit a different site, your packets could take a vastly different route with vastly different performance. Same goes if you move to a different connection. It's not about policy at either end. It's just the technical characteristics of an extremely complex network. Try using the tracert command (I'm familiar with it on Windows, I assume the exact same thing exists on Apple and Linux computers). Enter tracert wamtec.com (or whatever is your favorite wetlook site) and see all the hops it takes to connect you to that site. It might also give you an idea of where your bottleneck is coming from. I'd guess it's not at either end, but some unfortunately chosen link somewhere along the way.

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Wetlook site servers discriminating against countries - vpn proves! why?

By MikeyPHX - Sun 27/10/19 22:55:14 GMT

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OK, this is a weird topic, please read to end why I cry discrimination and I have to finally ask about it publicly. I'm an American. I live in Eastern Europe, namely Poland. Generally speaking Eastern Europe may be poor, but it's not behind the West on Internet speeds, sometimes it is basically faster. In Poland I use a mix of ADSL Internet (officially 20mb/s) in a rural location, 4G/LTE on mobile (officially 60 mb/s) and fiber-optic (1 gb/s) in Warsaw. I understand severs limiting fiber-optic speeds, but... as for the other connections, which are quite slow, I'm baffled by wetlook sites. Not going to name names, but... in case of both ADSL and LTE I have a typical maximum speed, which works fine for all sites. Polish, EU, abroad, I don't see much differences at all. Streaming sites, Youtube, all cloud sites (legit and those Rapidshare clones, which are a gray area). Basically 100% of my speed available. Than when I download from some wetlook sites I get speed at about 1/20 to 1/5 of my normal speed. This would not be weird per se. Maybe wetlook sites use cheap servers, understandable. I get higher speeds when back home in the US, but I guess it's just the location of servers? Well nope, it is not. I sometimes use VPNS for safety. And had a shock when I used a US VPN from Poland. Suddenly I got full speed. WTF?! So it is NOT the connection, it's the server intentionally blocking speed for some countries? I mean I'm 36, basically online since the start of the Internet and the couple of wetlook sites (might use shared server/service as it has similarities) is the only place I've seen this. The speed limit does NOT seem to apply to downloads in the UK and Netherlands, but does in Romania, so not only is it discriminating it is also against EU law, as you can't discriminate between countries and big companies have been fined for that. So WTF is going on here. It has to be man made, artificial and basically discrimination at it's finest if wetlook sites give me a lower download speed (like only 5 times download ones) while my companies cheap server even in Burundi gives me full speed on the slow ADSL connection, as this is really slow.

I'm baffled and wondering what to do, as I've never seen this. In my years here I've learned quite a lot about EU law and while some of the sites use a US only company for billing, most also use an EU registered one, or a multinational one with an EU office. So I could start legal hell for the website/server probably as they can't really dodge EU laws. Or at least make them lose payment processors, but that makes no sense as I don't want the community to suffer. I just want no discrimination in it. As I'm writing this I'm at a rural Polish location. I barely get 2mb/s when downloading from other sites here. Today I got 120-145kb/s from said site. Fun fact, as I like these nature getaways, two weeks ago I was at a German location, so I guess it qualifies as the good west. Got barely 1mb/s on the connection there. I also got 1mb/s on the wetlook site mentioned. Was second WTF after VPN. Tested it a lot, like with Deutsche Telekom / T.Mobile in Poland, Germany, US, so even same ISP. Always the VPN changes the istutation, not the ISP. This is like apartheid over again. WTF wetlook peeps...

Probably this will be deleted as it's an uncomfortable truth post. Might even get a ban. Though maybe wetlook producers from Romania, Russia and Ukraine, who seem big in the wetlook world with stop the mods and influence the mods to make this post (within forum rules for constructive criticism and questions) stay. But I had to ask. Took me long enough to post. Did my research that this does not happen. Asked a lot of specialists that it means that HOST SERVERS MUST BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST IP ADDRESSES FROM SOME COUNTRIES. And decided this is to f-ed up to not mention.

As for the sites, won't name them, but I will just say this does NOT have anything to do with Wetlooker, Wamderland or clips downloaded from the UMD and Clips4Sale - those give the same full speeds weather you download from Heringsdorf or Swinemuende (Swinoujscie), which are two towns on Usedom island. One German. One Polish. There is no border between them (Schengen area). No border posts, no controls, if you walk the beach or hike trail (you can do it legally) even no sign to say when you are leaving one country and entering the other. But there is a reduction of speed of download of wetlook depending on which nations ISP you use, even if you chose a much faster Polish one.

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