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Message # 78870.4.1.1

Subject: FWIW

Date: Wed 30/10/19 00:25:55 GMT

Name: AnthonyX

Email: anthonyx@jowc.net

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VPN performance depends on implementation. My home router supports inbound VPN. Connecting in via its VPN is slow. I believe it is because of the encryption software it is using. Depending on the networking stack on your computer and the VPN service, it need not be slow, but it does require decent hardware, and a public VPN service could be using specialized hardware to perform the encryption much faster than a general-purpose processor would. When you see slow VPN, it is probably because of old or poorly written code running on outdated hardware at the server end.

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Thank you for the nice and actually useful answer!

By MikeyPHX - Tue 29/10/19 12:36:56 GMT

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Thank you for the first reply that actually points to something other than discrimination. Never knew VPNs can make connections faster, always thought only slower, especially as I use free or cheap ones. I will ask my providers about the issue. Both are local parts of very large international companies (Orange and T.Mobile/Deutsche Telekom so I don’t think they would be very cheap but, I’ll ask customer service about the vpn issue, wonder what they reply. I still think it’s not on their side as it does not affect all servers in North America, seemingly just the wetlook one, but the explanation makes sense.

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Re:Wetlook site servers discriminating against countries - vpn proves! why?

By asdf - asdf@asdf.se Tue 29/10/19 01:41:53 GMT

Website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering

Please read up about peering, and try to work out the routes (with traceroute) and ping times. You may start to notice a pattern, such as UPC connections preferring Aorta and so on.

Long story short: each provider wants to keep its traffic on the cheapest path, i.e. preferably their own and only then through third-party transit, which is more expensive. VPN companies tend to give a bit more attention to proper peering as to them usually all traffic is third-party transit and so they have more peering in place than providers. This means a double bonus: you may reach your VPN server more quickly and with less obstacles, and then the actual connection to the site you want to connect to is also faster.

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Wetlook site servers discriminating against countries - vpn proves! why?

By MikeyPHX - Sun 27/10/19 22:55:14 GMT

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OK, this is a weird topic, please read to end why I cry discrimination and I have to finally ask about it publicly. I'm an American. I live in Eastern Europe, namely Poland. Generally speaking Eastern Europe may be poor, but it's not behind the West on Internet speeds, sometimes it is basically faster. In Poland I use a mix of ADSL Internet (officially 20mb/s) in a rural location, 4G/LTE on mobile (officially 60 mb/s) and fiber-optic (1 gb/s) in Warsaw. I understand severs limiting fiber-optic speeds, but... as for the other connections, which are quite slow, I'm baffled by wetlook sites. Not going to name names, but... in case of both ADSL and LTE I have a typical maximum speed, which works fine for all sites. Polish, EU, abroad, I don't see much differences at all. Streaming sites, Youtube, all cloud sites (legit and those Rapidshare clones, which are a gray area). Basically 100% of my speed available. Than when I download from some wetlook sites I get speed at about 1/20 to 1/5 of my normal speed. This would not be weird per se. Maybe wetlook sites use cheap servers, understandable. I get higher speeds when back home in the US, but I guess it's just the location of servers? Well nope, it is not. I sometimes use VPNS for safety. And had a shock when I used a US VPN from Poland. Suddenly I got full speed. WTF?! So it is NOT the connection, it's the server intentionally blocking speed for some countries? I mean I'm 36, basically online since the start of the Internet and the couple of wetlook sites (might use shared server/service as it has similarities) is the only place I've seen this. The speed limit does NOT seem to apply to downloads in the UK and Netherlands, but does in Romania, so not only is it discriminating it is also against EU law, as you can't discriminate between countries and big companies have been fined for that. So WTF is going on here. It has to be man made, artificial and basically discrimination at it's finest if wetlook sites give me a lower download speed (like only 5 times download ones) while my companies cheap server even in Burundi gives me full speed on the slow ADSL connection, as this is really slow.

I'm baffled and wondering what to do, as I've never seen this. In my years here I've learned quite a lot about EU law and while some of the sites use a US only company for billing, most also use an EU registered one, or a multinational one with an EU office. So I could start legal hell for the website/server probably as they can't really dodge EU laws. Or at least make them lose payment processors, but that makes no sense as I don't want the community to suffer. I just want no discrimination in it. As I'm writing this I'm at a rural Polish location. I barely get 2mb/s when downloading from other sites here. Today I got 120-145kb/s from said site. Fun fact, as I like these nature getaways, two weeks ago I was at a German location, so I guess it qualifies as the good west. Got barely 1mb/s on the connection there. I also got 1mb/s on the wetlook site mentioned. Was second WTF after VPN. Tested it a lot, like with Deutsche Telekom / T.Mobile in Poland, Germany, US, so even same ISP. Always the VPN changes the istutation, not the ISP. This is like apartheid over again. WTF wetlook peeps...

Probably this will be deleted as it's an uncomfortable truth post. Might even get a ban. Though maybe wetlook producers from Romania, Russia and Ukraine, who seem big in the wetlook world with stop the mods and influence the mods to make this post (within forum rules for constructive criticism and questions) stay. But I had to ask. Took me long enough to post. Did my research that this does not happen. Asked a lot of specialists that it means that HOST SERVERS MUST BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST IP ADDRESSES FROM SOME COUNTRIES. And decided this is to f-ed up to not mention.

As for the sites, won't name them, but I will just say this does NOT have anything to do with Wetlooker, Wamderland or clips downloaded from the UMD and Clips4Sale - those give the same full speeds weather you download from Heringsdorf or Swinemuende (Swinoujscie), which are two towns on Usedom island. One German. One Polish. There is no border between them (Schengen area). No border posts, no controls, if you walk the beach or hike trail (you can do it legally) even no sign to say when you are leaving one country and entering the other. But there is a reduction of speed of download of wetlook depending on which nations ISP you use, even if you chose a much faster Polish one.

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