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Message # 92112.1.2.1

Subject: Check ALL Leon comments on UMD

Date: Fri 25/11/22 21:27:45 GMT

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Nigel just quoted one of Leon’s comments, the opening one I think. There are two major ones and many smaller in that thread. And sadly he basically made the UmD believe the girl. “Did not touch her” changed to “was sure I had consent”. Not sure this is still up, and unedited, but that basically showed he is not telling the truth, not consistent with his story and very probably guilty at least to some level, and this is not a made up thing.

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So quick to judge ...

By WamMan - Fri 25/11/22 21:01:56 GMT

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Hi all. I rarely post, but enjoy the forum and take a look every day for new material. I am really surprised at the reaction to Leon's situation. The reality is that these days men are guilty when the word of a woman is uttered. I do not know what happened, but based on similar events of the last few years it has become clear that many of these accusations are just that, and the guy is left to defend himself and prove an untruth. So many careers and lives have been damaged by false accusations. I am not a "all women must be believed." I am a "if a crime has been committed a defendant needs to be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt." Plea deals in this area are not helpful - many times a person who is accused has no choice but to accept one. Anyway, I just think Leon has done so much for the community that he deserves a second chance. This is not rape ... this is, at most, groping. I don't condone it, but I do believe he is paying the price legally, whether he deserves it or not, and to ban him from the forum and take down is material is not fair and a horrible injustice. Just my opinion!

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He no longer knows what to invent to try to exculpate himself...

By Anonymous - Fri 25/11/22 16:12:16 GMT

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He no longer knows what to invent to try to exculpate himself...

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re Leon

By Nigel - nigel@wetlook.com Thu 24/11/22 23:59:56 GMT

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This was posted by Leon / leonmoomin over on UMD, I've decided to copy it here, as some people had been speculating. I no nothing more of the matter, but I can imagine the situation...

UMD thread - https://umd.net/forums/mostwam-owner-convicted-for-groping-wam?start=0 please 'comment' there, not here.

Leon's account:

"Yes it is me.

The first thing I will say is that Lisa and I have a 9 year old child that I have done everything in my power to protect. Including pleading guilty, though, I now seriously regret that decision.

I had an accusation made against me, that was not true, but in order to defend myself, videos of girls being covered in foodstuffs and gunge would have to have been played to the court, which, was made very clear to me, would have made the National press.

The accusation was, that I "Got into the back of my van with a girl who was NAKED, whilst she was getting changed after a shoot and groped her without her consent".

That was not true, a lot of the people here would believe me when I say, nudity does NOTHING for me, it is a turn off, why in the hell would I get into the back of my van to grope a naked woman? I have built my whole life around my fetish for FULLY CLOTHED wet and messy girls.

Thing is, whilst people who share my particular, fully clothed only, version of this fetish would believe me, no one else would, the police, the CPS and even my own useless solicitor.

I wanted to round up a thousand people from here to confirm that there are men in this world who find nudity a turn off and that they are the same, but, how could I?

This event happened a week after an extremely traumatic event in my life, whilst the "Me Too" events were in overdrive due to what happened to the girl who was killed by the police officer in London.

I told the truth the whole time, up until I plead guilty.

I left the court feeling like I had helped the prosecution meet their heightened statistics.

I had no fight left in me and was constantly being told, the alleged victim must be believed.

I plead guilty, I was not found guilty.

The book was thrown at me due to me being her employer, none of my defence or mitigation were taken into account due to me pleading guilty and the evidence I provided for mitigation clearly threw doubt at my guilty plea.

I have been sentenced and the appropriate punishment for my sentence has been given to me, which I will have to live with for the rest of my life.

Now I am stronger and more able to defend myself, I would very much like to appeal and reverse my guilty plea, but I can't do so without new evidence, none of the very strong evidence I had at the time, including video and a report from a clinical phycologist, which proved my dislike of nudity can be considered for appeal, I would need new evidence, which I am praying will one day become available to me.

I can't go into detail here and please stop trying to identify the alleged victim, that could get the UMD into trouble.

I can't go into much detail here as it is a public forum, but I will provide more detail in private to messmaster.

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